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palmnerd
Joined: 09 Feb 2009
Posts: 50
Location: Vero Beach Zone 9b
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 Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: An unusual Sabal |
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Here's an unusual Sabal in Vero that has had some of us scratching our heads over the years. Anyone want to take a crack at this one? The leaves are fairly deeply split and ribbon like. They're partially costapalmate.
I've included pics of the abaxial and adaxial faces of the leaves to try to help. The plant is self sterile (I'm reasonably sure) and does not show blue like a uresana might. The Green leaf is that of a normal Sabal palmetto. There is some disparity in the adaxial hastula as compared with palmetto, but maybe not enough to rule out that it's just an unusual form of or possible hybrid of palmetto. Which is why I put this forth to you guys. I will eventually learn to post the pics directly to the thread, mea culpa.
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Dave, Orlando
Joined: 17 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: |
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I missed this earlier, it looks like palmetto to me but its almost impossible to ID Sabal on foliage, you need good shots of the inflorescence, etc. This one appears to hold it in tight, this usually a dead give-away for bermudana in Fl. The other sp. that does this is pumos but I don't recall seeing a large one of these in Fl. I assume there are hybrids in existence (e.g Brazoria palms) but that one aside documented cases of them are non existent. Even when grown sympatrically they simply refuse to cross. Maybe some pics of fruit, seeds might help. |
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palmnerd
Joined: 09 Feb 2009
Posts: 50
Location: Vero Beach Zone 9b
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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I will try to get photos of this tree when it flowers. Which should be soon. As I mentioned in my first post it appears to be self sterile. The newest inflorescence was devoid of fruit. And the rest of the remnant flowers were abbreviated and seemingly malformed. We have flowering bermudanas, and I would say this form, both flower and petiole\leaves is different and much more compact than bermudana. Pumos in full sun throws longer petioles from my experience. But I can't rule out pumos either, even though this palm is pretty old.
If I can get a shot of an emerging and opening flower I will. But if this thing is not throwing fruit then leaf form is the only offering to be had for id puposes. And if you could see this in person you would likely agree that it looks like palmetto with the exception of the nearly non costapalmate leaves.
And lastly, I agree that a hybrid is a long shot. |
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